When a new doctor was changing the
landscape and diagnosing more type 2 patients and many patients with
prediabetes, he was promoting membership in the different support
groups, he then realized that two of the support groups did not have
doctors leading them. He started telling his patients to avoid the
two support groups without a doctor as a leader.
Both support groups have since talked
to Dr. Tom and the doctor has been set straight. He has learned that
Dr. Tom works with both support groups in an advisory capacity, but
that our support group seems to do well on its own and does more
research and has better programs than any other support group.
Dr. Tom called both Tim and Greg and
asked them to bring in one other member to meet with him and the
other doctor. This happened on October 16 and Tim did ask me. When
we were all present, Dr. Tom asked the new doctor why he would not
support the two groups without doctors leading them. Dr. Jay as we
nicknamed him, said because they may not follow the American Diabetes
Association guidelines. I could tell the other members were rolling
their eyes. I said because we would rather follow guidelines set by
the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists if we followed
any guidelines, and the ADA guidelines were too high and in the area
that encourages the complications to flourish.
Greg said an A1c of 7% was too high and
even the A1c of 6.5% was even higher than most of the group members
wanted to tolerate. Greg continued that most of the members in the
support group he was part of tried to keep their A1cs under 6% or
near that level. Tim added that was very much like the group he led
and while we read the guidelines, it was only to know what was being
said and not to follow the ADA. Tim stated that it is true we do not
follow the ADA guidelines and will not until they put the patients
first and not their own wallets.
Tim continued that we ask Dr. Tom
questions and when we have meetings with several groups, we include
other doctors. Greg said we don't have meetings with other groups,
but do participate in meetings with other groups led by Tim's group.
We do consult with other doctors about some topics and have had
doctors speak to our group.
Dr. Tom then asked Dr. Jay if he was
going to continue opposing the two support groups. Dr. Jay said that
he still had questions and both Tim and Greg told him to ask them.
Dr. Jay asked how many were in each group. Greg said they now had 13
members and felt that they would be adding more. Tim said we have 17
members and will know if we will be adding six more members on the
last Saturday of this month.
Next, Dr. Jay asked why we did not have
a doctor as a leader. Greg bit his tongue and politely said that
they started out without one and liked the fact that we did not have
to worry about what we say. Plus if we came up with research that
said something like statins that cause diabetes, we could use the
sources and not have to worry about something getting back to our
doctors.
Dr. Jay asked Tim if he agreed. Tim
said yes, we had started out as a group of three and then two groups
combined making it six. Tim continued that Bob is a blogger, worked
to help all of us become more interested in learning about diabetes,
and has helped some of us more than others, but we have grown because
of him. Greg added that I was the one that had brought them into
Tim's group and they had left over the fact that they wanted to
remain an informal group and those that left wanted a more formal
group. They have included us in group meetings and we have learned a
lot and enjoyed their programs.
Dr. Jay then asked what besides group
formality separated the groups. I said most groups are on oral
medications while most of our group is type 2 people using insulin.
Yes, four of our members are now off all diabetes medications, but
the rest of us are on insulin. Dr. Tom spoke then and told Dr. Jay
that they were successful because they went about it correctly and
have presented this to other diabetes support groups. He admitted
that he now has two members of the group he leads that are off all
diabetes medications. Three had tried, but because they did it
correctly, when the one was having problems, he went back on
medications immediately and was not ridiculed for it.
Dr. Jay turned to Tim and asked if we
would accept a doctor as a leader. Tim looked at me and then said we
would need to put it to a vote, but he felt that the answer would be
no. We consider Dr. Tom as an advisor, but not a leader of our
group. We like our more informal nature, have received support from
several businesses, and have larger meeting rooms available to us for
our meetings of groups. Dr. Tom interrupted and said that we were
not the largest group in the area, but only two groups were larger,
one in a town north of us (about 28 active members with three
doctors) and another in a town about half an hour south of us (about
35 active members with one doctor and a nurse practitioner).
Greg was asked the same question and
Greg said he could not speak for the group, but he would be
discouraging this. Jessie said she would also discourage a doctor
leader. She liked their more formal group with Dr. Tom as being
available as a consultant.
Dr. Tom concluded the meeting by saying
he was welcome to come with him when Tim's group presents to the
group of 35 members or attend the meeting of groups next year. With
that, we left.